Here are the seedings and matchups for the First Hawaiian Bank/HHSAA State Football Championships in Division I. Hilo out of the BIIF is the No. 1 seed, followed by Campbell out of the OIA, ‘Iolani from the ILH and Baldwin from the MIL.
DIVISION I
SEEDS: 1. Hilo; 2. Campbell; 3. ‘Iolani; 4. Baldwin
Friday, Nov. 4
(1) Hilo vs. Leilehua at Keaau, 7 p.m.
(4) Baldwin vs. Mililani at War Memorial Stadium, 7 p.m.
(2) Campbell vs. Waiakea at Campbell, 7:30 p.m.
(3) ‘Iolani vs. Moanalua at Ticky Vasconcellos Stadium, 7 p.m.
Saturday, Nov. 12
SEMIFINALS, TBA
Friday, Nov. 18
CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, TBA
How is Iola no seeded without a regular season win?
Iolani hasn’t won in 7 weeks and they get a #3 seed. One reason this whole system is ridiculous.
Iolani declared d1 tourney from start othe teams declared Open div.. so Iolani was the only rep from ILH
It looks like #1 and #4 are in the same bracket. 2&3 are in the OPPOSITE bracket which is fair.
In the Open division, If Kahuku beat Farrington this week then the open division rankings will look like this…
1 – Kahuku
2 – St. Louis
3 – Punahou
4 – Farrington
which means St. Louis and Punahou should be in the same bracket, the reward for Kahuku being the #1 seed is that they get the #4 seeded team in their bracket. BUT YOU KNOW THE ILH WILL NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN, THEY WILL MAKE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE THEY WANT KAHUKU TO PLAY THE #2 AND THE #3 RANKED TEAMS IN THE STATE. THE REWARD FOR KAHUKU BEING THE #1 SEED IS THAT THEY GET TO TAKE THE HARDEST ROAD. HA!
Iolani seeded cause the top from each div (BIIF, ILH, MIL, OIA) each get a seed in the tournament. However, it is mento that there’s only one team in D1 div for ILH.
@Anywaays you are way off, first there will be six team in the open tournament not four Waianae and Kapolei Will play a consolation game, loser should be in the OIA champion side of the bracket (should be Kahuku) and will play Punahou in the quarters . Second St.Louis is already the ILH champ so they will be on the opposite side of kahuku playing the winner of the OIA#2 and OIA #3. Stop with the conspiracy theories and educate yourself before posting.
Brah, look like each each division go get different bracketing. The D1 look like seeding by committee because the top 4 get all kind win/lost records. I like see how D2 going look. Now the proper Open Bracket should be like the polls was all SEASON. That is 1.Kahuku 2.St.Lu 3.Punahou 4. Farr. 5.Waianae 6.Kapolei. So the right games would be #1and2 first week bye. 3 vs. 6. to play #2 then #4 vs.5 with winner playing the number 1 team. That is fair and square. The number 1 team always gets the weaker bracket,
Whoever wins the DI division will receive a championship trophy but be considered the 7th best in the state. No wonder coach York said their (motto) was
“Open Division or Bust”
Iolani should have been seeded 4 and Baldwin 3. How can a winless team be rated higher that a league champion? If that was the case, Iolani would have to play Mililani. Of course it would be a tougher draw, not saying Moanalua wouldn’t be. Furthermore, if both Leilehua & Mililani win, they’ll play each other again. But if both Hilo & Baldwin win at least a neighbor island team can be playing for the D1. Why did the ILH require Kamehameha to declare if they wanted to contend for the Open or D1 states before the season? Why couldn’t they just say the top two teams go to the Open and the third place goes D1? Is it because Iolani wouldn’t have made states for the second consecutive year?
@anyways According to your logic, which is flawed by the way Kahuku does NOT have the hardest road to the championship. “THEY WANT KAHUKU TO PLAY THE #2 AND THE #3 RANKED TEAMS IN THE STATE. THE REWARD FOR KAHUKU BEING THE #1 SEED IS THAT THEY GET TO TAKE THE HARDEST ROAD. HA!”
Nope, wrong. The hardest road to the championship would be that of either Punahou or STL. Because they would have to beat the #2 or #3 and then the #1 seed. Geez! You are slow buddy. Do you even read what you write? Or, is that too hard. Didn’t your mommy teach you to read before you hit that submit button?
Since you dont have common sense to place the 5/6 Ill do it for you
1,4,5 in Bracket A
and
2,3,6 in Bracket B
Since when is this an OIA vs. ILH thing? The whole purpose of this new Open division was to let the BEST teams go at it. Fair brackets would be created based on the 1-10 ranking system. Not OIA 1&2 vs. ILH 1&2
In the old system the BigIsland and MIL teams were assigned the #3 and #4 seeds. Who ever got the #4 seed was placed in the bracket with the tournaments #1 seed whether it was the ILH or OIA that had that #1 seed.
So since Kahuku will be the #1 seed this year, are we going to give Punahou the #4 seed so that they can go into Kahukus bracket? What happens if next year StLouis is the clear #1 seed and Kahuku is the #2 seed, are we still going to give Punahou the #4 seed to play in the #1 STL’s bracket?
The ILH and state of Hawaii are not saying that they want the BEST teams to play in fair matchups, they are saying they want Kahuku to play both ILH teams in order to win a title….not a conspiracy theory….a FACT!
AOK- you are slow buddy. The incentive for being the #1 team in the tournament is that you get the easy road, duh! Becuase if the #1 team does not get the easy road then the #2 will end up getting the easy road, duh!
Educate them anyways… I been trying to tell them but they no like listen..
AOK- look at the D1 brackets, Campbell #2 and Iolani #3 are in the same bracket. idiot! read before you post!
and btw, the #6 seed gets the harder road of all seeds….they need to beat the #3, then the #1, and meet the #2 in the title game. duh!
Lol. Yup, let’s see how the HHSAA will try to spin this OPEN bracket and justify Kahuku going thru 2 ILH teams. Anybody got the attendance for Pun/StL. #3? Wasn’t one of the reasons for this new format was about $$ gate. Lol.
D1 for the birds
Open Division is where its at
In any tournament the placements are 1,4 vs. 2,3
Look at the GVB format.
http://www.sportshigh.com/sports/volleyball_girls/tournament/2016/d1_bracket
Too much fiapoko amateurs here, can’t even figure out brackets…babbo gams!
@808savage – All divisions will have good competitive games. The level of play in the open division will be great and yes, top level High School football in Hawaii…but I’m looking forward to the D-I and DII games as well. I’m happy for all the teams that made it and wish them luck.
The rim- all divisions will have good games. Really? Sub 500 teams playing…..it should be great.
No offense, but this three tier playoff was not thought through. You loose in the OIA playoff, but you still get to play.
The thing that irritates me the most is the naming. The “d1” winner will be listed right next to previous D1 Winners.
@Jason Keuma – Who cares, if you don’t like it don’t watch. I guess you feel the same about UH too? Why should they even play, only teams like Alabama and Clemson matter, right? So to you only the top two teams should play…why even include Kapolei and Waianae? And no, the DI champ will be the DI champ when there was a “OPEN” champ. Is that too hard to comprehend?
@You smokin it’s obvious that it’s you anywaays because you’re still confused. Dude… it’s really simple if you think about it, you’re confusing yourself trying to seed teams by their rankings. Rankings don’t mean squat right now, it never does.
Obviously the ILH champ and the OIA champs will be in opposite brackets, and not to create another OIA or ILH championship game in the semi Punahou will be in the OIA champions bracket and the OIA runner-up will be in st.Louis bracket. The looser of the Waianae and Kapolei game would be with the #1 seed (if Kahuku wins they would be #1seed, if Farrington wins st.Louis would be #1) Punahou vs. #4 OIA and #2 OIA vs. #3 OIA in the quarters, winners advance to the semifinals and so on. If you still don’t understand then I guess you’ll have to wait till the end of the week. There’s no conspiracy here, all team placed themselves with head to head competition.
Who cares, who plays who.. I just want good competition and great game played this year.. Hope the OIA does well to prove they belong in the mix with the ILH.. We have 4 great teams… Let prove them wrong… Good luck to all and let the games begin…
@What you smok’n
You are an idiot. How do you seed teams without rankings? What..we just jan ken po? Go back to playing tic tac toe…this is the Adult section.
Idiot? Go look in the mirror you going see the biggest idiot there is, get 10 different rankings with 10 different top tens, so which one you going use? Scoringlive? Hpw? Star Advertiser? Oc 16? Channel 2? Channel 4? Channel 7? Channel 8? Max preps? USA today? Which one? DONKEY let me know. And if you don’t know how the seeding process goes shut your ass. Go play tic tac toe with yo sista and go junk and po her.
Whatever and it just doesn’t matter since the Kahuku Red Raiders are still the State of Hawaii High School Football Champion until proven otherwise and like Big Red offending as much as defending as you all know with their kind of smash mouth no mercy football; yep, don’t even ask cause we number one with the oval ball or round ball until proven otherwise?
Wow. 4 OIA teams and Iolani gets to play the team that forfeited last week and may forfeit again. What a system.
EH PAPER CRANE! DAS HOW, BRAH! EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THIS D-I BRACKET IS BOGUS. ONLY GET ONE TEAM THAT MATTERS AND TAHTS KAHUKU BU! ALL THESE OTHER TEAMS NO NEED EVEN PLAY! D-1 WHAT A JOKE LOL! BRAH WE SMASH MOUTH NO MERCY SMACK YOUR MOM THEN SMASH YOUR CHICK KIND FOOTBALL! NOBODY ELSE MATTERS COMPARED TO US! COME OUT LAIE AND WE SHOW YOU HOW! IF YOU SCARED THEN JUST GO CLASS AND PLAY SCHOOLBALL NOT FOOTBALL AHAHAHAH!
JASON KEUEMA IS TALKING PLENTY SENSE TOO. NO NEED THIS D-I PLAYOFF. BRAH, NO NEED EVEN ANY KIND OF PLAYOFF. JUST GIVE THE TROPHY TO KAHUKU. SHOULD JUST HAVE ONE KAHUKU BOWL: KAHUKU VARS VS OUR JV. CUZ WE KNOW NOBODY CAN COMPETE SO NO NEED EVEN TRY!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
RR4L! HATE US CUZ YOU AINT US BRUH! ENEMINES OF THE STATE!
Jason Keuma – yes, I think many agree, this three tier format needs to be tweaked. In other high school federations, they have three (or more) divisions so there’s proof that it satisfies the intent. We all know that in Hawaii we always are slow or want to re-invent the wheel.
Don’t let the name of the winner next to previous winners irritate you – lots more stuff going on in the nation to get irritated at – like the election.
Games should be competitive, especially since all the teams have two weeks to prepare for each other – coaching staff will play a big part. As far as using previous league records to predict outcomes of games, I think it’s hard to do do because each league is different and strength of games is also different. Look at the NFL – just win your division and records are wiped clean for playoffs. Every starts 0-0 and you need to win 3 straight (in Div 1 case) to be champs. Be cool – enjoy the games (or not).
anywaaaays!! October 24, 2016 at 3:17 pm
It looks like #1 and #4 are in the same bracket. 2&3 are in the OPPOSITE bracket which is fair.
In the Open division, If Kahuku beat Farrington this week then the open division rankings will look like this…
1 – Kahuku
2 – St. Louis
3 – Punahou
4 – Farrington
which means St. Louis and Punahou should be in the same bracket, the reward for Kahuku being the #1 seed is that they get the #4 seeded team in their bracket. BUT YOU KNOW THE ILH WILL NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN, THEY WILL MAKE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE THEY WANT KAHUKU TO PLAY THE #2 AND THE #3 RANKED TEAMS IN THE STATE. THE REWARD FOR KAHUKU BEING THE #1 SEED IS THAT THEY GET TO TAKE THE HARDEST ROAD. HA!
The HHSAA along with the 5 leagues have written the language for placement of the at-large teams years ago. The ILH 1 and 2, like the OIA 1 and 2 always are placed on the opposite side of the brackets. If you don’t like that why didn’t you complain in the 80’s and 90’s when it started in all of the other tournaments prior to the creation of the football tournament.
It’s childish to keep blaming the ILH when the ILH has 1 vote as does the other leagues. Please have some resilience and stop blaming organizations that clearly are not out to get Kahuku. I am sure the ILH and Mr. Gilbert has far more important things to do than “screw Kahuku” as you say. But when you lack integrity and perseverance I can understand why you need to say these things.
Who said Punahou is #3? The HHSAA committee could see them as #6 if they want. Scoringlive and SA ranking mean nothing when seeding.
The language for placement of teams have been public record for over 2-3 decades. And now Kahuku supporters want to complain.
If you don’t like it, why don’t you guys try to make change PRIOR to the season instead of crying behind a computer. I do admire these boys from Kahuku though. They play hard and give it their all when many of their “so-called” role models cry and complain about how the ILH and HHSAA are after them. If anything you should complain about how the government is after you guys.
If integrity is important to the HHSAA then they will use the same formula for the OPEN DIV as they do in all their tournaments. Which means..
Bracket B
Punahou#3 vs OIA#6 in the quarterfinals
– winner will meet St. Louis#2 in the semifinals.
All you people saying that you dont want to see a rematch between ILH teams are hypocrites. Lets say Punahou goes into Kahukus bracket and beats Kahuku, Punahou will meet St.Louis in the championship game, Its ok to see an ILH rematch in the title game but its not ok for an ILH rematch in the semifinal game? Hypocrites!
Thats proof that the HHSAA and the ILH really only want Kahuku to play both ILH teams in order to call themselves TRUE state champs. SMDH!
Good Story October 24, 2016 at 10:05 pm
@What you smok’n
You are an idiot. How do you seed teams without rankings? What..we just jan ken po? Go back to playing tic tac toe…this is the Adult section.
Like someone (I forgot who) wrote about being on the selection committee a few weeks ago, they use a combination of:
-overall record
-strength of schedule
-strength of league
-head to head matchups
-improvement over the season
-trending
Why would a selection committee put any merit onto a newspaper ranking does mostly by sportscasters? That is insane. They have their own criteria and often get input from AD’s, football coaches, etc. But to use the SA rankings? Are you guys serious?
That is why they have clear language. You seed the champions based on amount of seeds available. Then the #2 and #3 from the same league ALWAYS goes on the opposite side of the bracket for football, baseball, volleyball, basketball, soccer, softball, etc.
It’s been this way for decades. And only now do these bloggers have an issue with it? I mean can you guys stop being babies and just support your teams?
LohuiLani October 25, 2016 at 8:30 am
If integrity is important to the HHSAA then they will use the same formula for the OPEN DIV as they do in all their tournaments. Which means..
Bracket B
Punahou#3 vs OIA#6 in the quarterfinals
– winner will meet St. Louis#2 in the semifinals.
All you people saying that you dont want to see a rematch between ILH teams are hypocrites. Lets say Punahou goes into Kahukus bracket and beats Kahuku, Punahou will meet St.Louis in the championship game, Its ok to see an ILH rematch in the title game but its not ok for an ILH rematch in the semifinal game? Hypocrites!
Thats proof that the HHSAA and the ILH really only want Kahuku to play both ILH teams in order to call themselves TRUE state champs. SMDH!
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There is a lot of integrity going on. The language used to place the teams are made public record prior to the start of the season. No leagues (OIA, ILH, MIL, BIIF, KIF) had an issue with it so they didn’t need to change it. They will now follow that language that was made public prior to the season. So every team knew how they would be placed prior to the first game. And now they will follow it.
That is highly ethical and very professional. They are honoring the language set forth. If they change it without letting anyone know like you suggest, then thay would be highly unethical.
The HHSAa has already determined that they want kahuku to play both ILH teams . Stloius will have a cakewalk to the title game and be fully healthy and rested. They should just come out and say this is a OIA vs ILH tourney
Actually to be honest, whomever plays Punahou in the first round will be definitely be out. Kahuku might not even make it to the championship game cause they have to play Punahou. In which I hope doesn’t happen, but there are only 3 teams who truthfully can win the state. Saints, Punahou, and Kahuku. Farrington, Wainae, and Kapolei are not there yet!
Really, is punahou that good this season? remember when punahou had this quarterback named Tuileta. We all knew what happened when they played kahuku, 2 years in a row. Good luck to all the teams.
Not to be disrespectful(I’m about to disrespect some people)but there is NO school in the State that can beat Kahuku. Every school has athletes, that’s a give me. However not all 11 on the feild are great. You might have a great LB or great DL or great S but everyone else is just good. With Kahuku all 11 are straight up BEASTS… As an opposing coach what do you do? If your QB is not accustomed to pressure or being hit what do you do? If your defense is not accustomed to 4 quarters of physical play what do you do? All 11 kids on Kahuku’s D are ALL STATE and the kids that sub in for them could transfer to any school on the island and not only start but be ALL STATE also. Look at what they have done to every team on the island the past 2 years. C’mon man you guys can’t be that blood no.
Hey 88 and the rest of the Kahuku cohorts – since Kahuku is so good maybe they should play in their own league like Bishop Gorman does? Since Kahuku is so good, maybe you shouldn’t cry about the seedings? I know the TEAM is good, but you clowns on this forum make them look like crybabies!!!
They of course will have ILH on the opposite sides for the bracket. Why would they stack them on the same side of the bracet when you have twice as many OIA schools? 4 vs. 2.
Everybody wants to see the best matchups. I can’t wait. Punahou vs. Kahuku and maybe Kahuku vs. St louis for the title.
No one is crying you baton. It’s about fairness.
Even is you say Kahuku is the overwhelming favorite to win both the St. Louis and Punahou game, they are still not favored to win the championship.
Hypothetically lets say they are 70% favored to beat punahou and 70% favored to beat st. louis.
That would mean they are both -233 vegas odds favorite which alot of here would argue is too high. Most would say 60/40, 55/45 or even 50/50.
Saying they would be 70% favorites on both games the probability to win the game is .7 x .7 or 49 percent to win the championship giving those favorable odds.
@NoCry
Not crybabies…we just dont keep quiet when the Powers that be try to force feed us crap all the while telling us “this is good for you”. Just like the Rail. $10 Billion Dollars later…
When was the first time you hear about this Open division Playoff? It was after the season started.
HHSAA creates Open Division, football will host 3-division tournament this season
By Rob DeMello
Published: August 22, 2016, 6:34 pm Updated: August 22, 2016, 9:38 pm
This article ring a bell? Two games were already played when this extra division was announced.
you know why you ILH are not complaining because you guys are not getting screwed in the you know where. This is definitely to your advantage, double the chance for the ILH to FINALLY bring home the state title. Money talks $$$$
ILH parents pay big money for their kids to attend private schools, they are high makamaka wont accept losing to public schools so the admins are doing all they can to facilitate to these parents and alumni.
88 no need to be so cocky, as a kahuku fan myself we can admit that bishopg exposed a few positions that we are weak at. We are dominant here in hawaii over inferior teams but be humble before you jinx us.
Good Story October 25, 2016 at 1:54 pm
@NoCry
Not crybabies…we just dont keep quiet when the Powers that be try to force feed us crap all the while telling us “this is good for you”. Just like the Rail. $10 Billion Dollars later…”
This is a really bad comparison. Three tier HHSAA football tournament is nothing like rail. What are you smoking?
rrfl October 25, 2016 at 2:29 pm
you know why you ILH are not complaining because you guys are not getting screwed in the you know where.
Nobody is screwing Kahuku over. This is starting to get pathetic. So many kahuku fans here talking big but are really scared. If Kahuku is so dominant like everyone here is saying, then they should run over two ILH schools with no problem. Or three. Or all of them. If St louis or punahou wins the tournament, then they’ll have to go through most likely kahuku and another ILH team, which is just as hard if not harder.
So why are you whining?
bottom line, if you’re scared for Kahuku to play possibly two ILH teams in the open, then that’s your problem, because I’m pretty sure the boys on the kahuku team and the coaching staff aren’t. Otherwise, stop whining and crying about conspiracy theories and ILH this and ILH that. ILH only had one vote. The new tournament format passed 4 votes for yes, zero votes for no, and OIA abstaining. Go email the coaches and the ADs and complain to them about the conspiracy theory.
Quit crying. It’s gonna be a great tournament.
@al
Just cause you have no rebuttal, doesn’t make it a bad comparison.